Because so many people ask us about the “Mormon Rules” I’ve put together a list of the many things that are required of Mormons in order to be a faithful member in “good standing”.
1. Pay 10% of your Gross (before tax) income, aka Tithing. In addition, contribute extra amounts to various church funds such as Fast Offering, Missionary fund, Building fund, etc.
2. Do not question Mormon authority. Mormons are taught that when their “prophet” speaks it is coming from God. They are told that when the prophet speaks the thinking has been done. Members are expected to obey whatever they are told without any hesitation or skepticism.
3. Fully believe in and frequently reiterate that you know the Mormon church is true, the only true church which was formed by Joseph Smith after his claimed face to face visit with God.
4. Pass a worthiness interview yearly so you can attend the temple where you perform religious ordinances for the dead and learn the secret phrases and motions that will supposedly enable you to enter heaven.
5. Once you attend the temple for the first time you will begin wearing the special underwear (called garments) which you must wear day and night. (You take them off for only the obvious reasons like bathing and intimacy but put them right back on.)
6. No smoking, no alcohol (not even a little) no coffee (not even decaf), no tea (not even green tea!)
7. Get married early. No sex before marriage. No living together.
8. Have children early (right after you get married) and have many. Not having the financial resources to properly take care of your children is considered an "excuse" and is invalid.
9. Preach to your non-Mormon friends, family and co-workers and try to get them to become Mormon.
10. Do not associate with other non-Mormons (except when engaged in #9 above.)
11. Young Men (age 19) are to serve a two year mission to attempt to convert others to Mormonism. This is at their own expense. They are not allowed to visit family during this time. College is not considered a priority until after a mission has been served.
12. Women are expected to marry only a man who has served a mission (referred to as a “Returned Missionary”.)
13. Attend all church meetings. 3 hours (yes, three hours) on Sunday, plus additional meetings for many other things. “Good” Mormons find a Mormon church even while on vacation and attend on Sunday. Young Mormon couples are known to get married on a Saturday and attend church the very next morning.
14. Follow a Dress code for church. Women cannot wear pants. Men should be wearing suits or at the very least a white dress shirt and tie.
15. Accept and perform whatever church job (aka "calling") they give you. This takes much additional time.
16. Every member is asked to visit other members and teach a lesson out of a manual once per month. This is known as Home Teaching for the men, and Visiting Teaching for the women.
17. Fast once per month [which to Mormons is no food or water for 24 hours.]
18. Sundays are for church only, no “worldly” activities are permitted [this includes shopping, dining out, recreational activities, kid's sporting events, etc.]
19. Wear only very modest clothing: this means no shorts above the knee, no low cut tops for women, nothing sleeveless, etc.
Ok, sign me up.... NOT!ReplyDelete
this is soooooooo not the rules of mormons. you act like they are the most strict, punished people. They're not. And HECK NO! of course they can interact with other people other than mormons. And young men dont HAVE to go on missions and young women dont HAVE to marry the returned missionaries. You only wear garments after your married, not the first time you go to the temple. And no, you dont have to have kids right away. And no, you dont have to preach to everyone you see. And so what, if they dont drink coffee or alcohol. Nothing is wrong with that. you have this whole thing wrong. Everything. So i suggest that you find the right information and stop critisizing them.ReplyDelete
You actually do have to wear garments once you've gone through the endowment session.Delete
Sorry Peyton orange the article is pretty close to being accurate. But I find nothing writing with what the Lord asks of his people. Jesus is the Christ and the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints is his church and yes the Lord asks us to keep covenants and all commandments.Delete
I prefer not to listen to you, you're not funny ...but the list is!Delete
Jesus Christ is not the same God of the LDS Church, sorry Josh, you are wrong. The Jesus Christ of the LDS organisation is a spirit brother of Lucifer and you and I - this is blasphemy. There is no scripture that supports this from the original King James Bible. Jesus is the creator of all things, claims to be God, claims equality of God and within the Bible is the Godhead in entirety. The Trinity is made up of God The Father, God The Son and God The Holy Spirit. We will not become Gods to populate other planets, the God of Mormons is a false God and if you read your Bible you will know this to be true. Isaiah 38 - 40 - 43 - 44 and 45 establish that there is no God besides Him, that there will be no other Gods beside Him (this makes the Mormon organisation dead in the water). Jesus proclaims to be God and that He is God - John 8:58, to the Samaritan woman at the well, He claims God status. Jesus Christ does ask us to keep all the commandments but not these additions made by mere men. Jesus Christ in Matthew 5 magnifies His commandments. He did not make the LDS covenants and commandments. Where are these found in the Bible or are your Prophets replacing God Himself? What is wrong with correct criticizing of a evil organisation of Lucifer? Temple rituals, baptising for the dead, false doctrines, broken lives, people wanting to be Gods. Read the Bible, see if I am wrong, do not trust in people or your own feeling. If you have ever been in a cult, and this is one, the anger at yourself is tangible, being lied to is not your fault. This list is not at all amusing, it is just another Pharisee organisation (John 8) with another list of rules of men. Ps I do not hate Mormons, I hate organisations that add rules and do nothing to help those that need it.Delete
And the denials of Mormons goes on and on and on...Delete
I'm gonna listen to him because he's even 'worn the shirt and tie'. Do all of the 14 Million+ members likewise believe that the rules are too hard for them? If so, they should quit like you did. However, if they did understand and followed the rules even if they were difficult I would be PROUD to be one of them.Delete
pretty dang acurate. coming from an active lds. of course no one is forced to do any of this however the social pressure is thick not to mention family tension if you do not conform.Delete
I have a friend that is one. I must say all this completely true.Delete
My husband is Mormon and I can confirm that all of this is true. My in-laws are great people, as is my husband, but they can be quite pushy when it comes to religion and how important it is that I convert. I've looked into the church, read scriptures, la la la, but I simply cannot join a church that I believe is a big hoax.Delete
I've yet to find a Mormon who respects my decision to not join. The church instills some really great family attitudes, but I am more of an agnostic. I can't force myself to believe in things I am personally convinced are not true. Right now I am trying to find out a way to get out of going to church in the morning with my in-laws. My husband does not push me into converting or attending church functions, but the pressure is very extreme with my MIL. I made the mistake of showing interest, but I don't want to break her heart and tell her that I don't think I believe in any religion.
It kind of makes me want to kill myself.
And I ask you "who are you married to?" your husband or MIL.? If you join this church you will be married to the church and your MIL. God loved us all and Jesus died for our sins, no where in the bible does it say you have to be of certain color or of a certain club to believe in Christ. It is our own free will to except Christ into our hearts as we see him.. There is of only ONE judge and it is not of human form. Stay strong to your beliefs.Delete
I was an active Mormon for 20 years, age 17-37. I was married in the L.A. Temple and have five kids. I am now 57, and I must say this list of rules is indeed what the LDS people will expect of you.Delete
I just went to a SEALING of the daughter of a friend who changed from Catholic to Mormon and I was not permitted to enter the temple. This is an EXCLUSIVE church and I don't like discrimination of any kind. Your Rules are good...for the 1800 hundreds!Delete
If i am not a member of the church, a Mormon, am i allowed in the temple? If not, is not god's house open to all? If this is true, you are not following a light based belief system. You are the same as the Masons!Delete
these are like the dumbest rules ever! dating a mormon is hell!ReplyDelete
actually, im dating a mormon.its not that bad. he's just a normal guy, to me. tho he is breaking some of the rules. im not a mormon, so there's one, we aren't sixteen, so there's another, he is the best boyfriend i've ever had and hes perfect in every way. i just wish that his parents could know, so i could spend more time with him :(Delete
i agree. it SUCKS to date a mormon, too many rules, and limitations.Delete
Seriously: He is the greatest guy but he won't introduce you to his parents?Delete
You need some therapy and some self esteem. I am sure he is having sex and fun with you but will decide to be with another woman later; a mormon woman. One that he can live with in openess.
sorry, you are being played
no, peytonorange, you DO wear garments after going through the temple your FIRST time. for most men, it's the time they go on missions at 19, for most women, it's when they are married. i know some women who had their garments BEFORE they got married. but you get your garments the FIRST time you go through. also, this set of rules-- for the most part is not set in stone, but EXPECTED to live by. the mormon culture is very strong. anyone "caught" not living it will be ridiculed and avoided by most "true believing mormons." so, the rules may well be "set in stone" in the mormons eye in most cases, socially.ReplyDelete
as much as i respect this religion and the people who live by it, i will say that i find it a highly un-realistic set of rules to live by. i also spent 8 months with a mormon couple, and i have never met more judgmental, close minded, self admiring, inward people in my life.ReplyDelete
this is very general, and they were nice enough, but they were so quick to try and convince everyone that they rules they lived by were the ONLY way, yet wouldnt even begin to learn about how other people live. funny fact: mormons are not suppose to wear revealing clothing? i find it very ironic that ballroom dancing including latin, tango, jive and salsa which requires the most revealing costumes a woman could possibly wear, and the biggest "ballroom dance" society is made up of mormons....in salt lake city/utah......hmmm...gets you thinking....i will conclude with the phrases " cult not religion" "power and money, not faith"
I agree, this is more cult than religionDelete
we are a religion. there is nothing about us that makes a cult.Delete
@Jess, says anyone who is in a cult.Delete
Thank you for that very well presented information on the so-called Gospel rules of Mormonism. I was immersed in the Kool-aid for 35 years and never entertained the idea of questioning or leaving. However, certain historical facts both past and present can not be wished away by sugarcoating, whitewashing or revising it. I'm grateful to true friends who stood by me and showed me the truth while my so-called church friends and even family bailed on me when I began asking for honest answers. The Mormons will skirt their way around the truth, because as we allll know, some truths are not very useful! That's a lie Boyd Packer, and one carefully crafter to keep those with lingering doubts from venturing to close to the cliff wall to get a peak. I'm glad I looked and found I had been lied to and deceived about what the church claims to be.ReplyDelete
So true. Sorry to hear you were deceived that long. It took me about 2 years to realize I was getting taken advantage of...Delete
oh my gosh this is what mormans are like! im going to a mormans church with my friend today! this will be hard!!!ReplyDelete
haaaaahhhhh! i dated one and he was an ass.ReplyDelete
but who knows, there could be some cool ones?
my neihbors are mormons and i dont think by the way they act that they ar're rules are that strict! and they are super nice people! not as stuck up as you make them sound!ReplyDelete
(but no starbucks,thats got to suck!)
They are only being super nice to you because they are working to get you into the church. As soon as they realize you are not interested in joining the church, they will have nothing to do with you. Mark my word.Delete
GO GARY! right on!!!ReplyDelete
Go to exmormon dot org to find out the truth about mormonism.ReplyDelete
you have to appreciate the amount of self control it takes to follow these rules. AND why would God be mad at these people for following these rules? which ones are bad? They certainly do not harm anyone! Besides that, they do not claim that if you do not follow these rules you are doomed to hell. in fact they believe that it's pretty hard to get to hell. you would have to be a pretty terriable person to get there..so why do people have to judge mormons based on their "rules"ReplyDelete
well it seems you have twisted the truth a bit here. Or it may seem you did not fully understand what you were teaching as a missionary. But I know you will understand when this life is over and you stand before God.....we all willReplyDelete
Reading your response makes me feel physically ill. The only God I know loves all. I do not believe our God will look down on someone just because they choose not to live by these particular rules. That's just too shortsighted for me.Delete
SO TRUE! thank you gary!ReplyDelete
i'm dating a mormon right now...and wow! this is so surprisingly true.ReplyDelete
For starters they're not rules, they're guidelines which anyone is free to choose to follow...or not.ReplyDelete
You are always free to CHOOSE
Consequences however, are not always an individuals to choose. But is this not with all? weither mormon or not?
The tone of voice of this post tells me that the author has had a bad experience with the LDS church, and doesn't sound at all fair or non-judgmental. When my Mormon friends explain these very things, it doesn't sound psycho. Seems like it's all in how you say it.ReplyDelete
The two commenters above have inspired a new post.ReplyDelete
See Mormon Rules List: commenters weigh in
wow that sounds terribleReplyDelete
i am mormon and i am happy what i believe in. folowing the guidlines has made me a stronger person by giving me self disiplinen. i have more feedom over myself because i have the choice if i want to follow them or not. because i dont do drugs, and other things, i have more control over my body and what i do instead of gettin in trouble and being disrespectfull. its really hard to be different and talked bad about because its something i grew up with and believe, its close to my heart and hurts me when people talk low or treat it lightly. because i followed these standards, i have become a better, smarter, stronger person than i used to beReplyDelete
wow... sorry but there is nooo way that im guna even want to become mornon if these are the rule i have to folloq2ReplyDelete
I am currently mormon and have been for a little over a year now. I have to admit, they are deffently not as strict as you put them up to believe. If you break these "rules" then so what. That is your own choice. Religon is about you and your relationship with god. I know plently of mormons who drink, dont have kids..even myself I dont follow the "dress code". Mormonism is mostly on religon not these rules you are selecting. Thank You however for posting this, it was nice to see your point of view.
mormonism also preaches (in Nephi) the "mark of cane" aka dark skinned people being cursed, and that black people have tails. And there should be no "mixing of the seed" They failed to tell me this before my baptism. Bunch of bigots.ReplyDelete
mormons are wrong and dumb and have weirdo rules... they have every thing backward and think there better then everyone else they shound put there time and money into actually helping people like little kids in africa. there missions are pointless there preaching the wrong thing to every one. mormons suckReplyDelete
I am Christian, but I would like to point out just because you don't agree to their rules and religion, that does not mean you have to be rude about it. You should learn to accept all people, no matter how different they may be in politics, religion, race, or gender. Thank you.Delete
From an ex-mormon:ReplyDelete
In mormonism, Christs grace gets you resurrected. To be exalted, (be with god) you must follow their rules. Dont believe me:
Spencer W. Kimball states: "however powerful the saving grace of Christ, it brings exaltation to no man who does not comply with the works of the gospel" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, pg. 207); "Each command we obey sends us another rung up the ladder to perfected manhood and toward godhood; and every law disobeyed is a sliding toward the bottom where man merges into the brute world" (Teachings of Spencer W. Kimball, pg. 153); "living all the commandments guarantees total forgiveness of sins and assures one of exaltation...trying is not sufficient. Nor is repentence when one merely tries to abandon sin" (The Miracle of Forgiveness, p.164-165, 354-355).
I to am aex, the grace of our Lord and savior Jesus christ is the true way. what can wash away my sins nothing but the blood of Jesus, calling upon the name of the Lord and thou shalt be saved,no church is going to take you to heaven only the redeeming blood of Jesus.Delete
I noticed a few people try to say that these rules don't have to be followed.... you have a choice... right. If you don't follow them you can't go to the temple, if you can't go to the temple you don't go to heaven....so what we have here is a case of emotional blackmail. Choice? not really.ReplyDelete
You still have a choice, if you don't want to follow the rules then you can't go to the temple. There is a consequence to every action we make. Church related or not. Deal with itDelete
My spouse and in laws are Mormon and some of these rules are correct, some are not. However, the Mormons where I live, are only Sunday Mormons, so by all means lets chill out. Besides, my spouse went to college, not on mission, and got married when got back from college, dont have has many children as quick as possible, it is not healthy for the women's bodiesReplyDelete
So mormons absolutely cannot have sex before They're married? Wow... Not even once? Or after a certain age?ReplyDelete
The temple wedding is not craziness. It is just sacred and thus the reason for privacy. It really is not that different from a regular wedding. It is a legal binding with many of the same words said as in regular weddings. The difference is the person marrying them has the authority (from God- Given by Joseph Smith and passed down from him by worthy priesthood holders) to seal husband and wife for ETERNITY. So no "till death do us part" in other words. Mormon marriage is eternal. It is a covenant not only to the spouse but with God as well. When the couple revisits the temple through out life, they renew those covenants. I was married in the temple. This is the greatest blessing I could have, to know that my husband and children are sealed to me forever. When I enter the temple- the House of God- I feel the more happiness than I can describe. I feel complete. It is a feeling of comfort and peace that can only be felt there. People that go to the temple unworthily do not feel that peace and may twist things because of their worldly views. then they like to share those thoughts with others to make them think that mormons are cult like. That is the reason why we dont let any one in the temple but only those that pass an interview and carry a temple recomend, even then we can not completely protect the temple from people that have ill intent, but it is the most sacred place on this earth. The closest thing we have to what heaven feels like. I would give my life to protect it.Delete
Why would you give your own life to protect such a place? You are putting your faith in the wrong thing, you are cultic and you belong to a cult. You have not read the Bible, Jesus states that there will be no marriage in heaven. Joseph Smith was killed by an angry mob, whom he shot at and killed two people, he had no time to hand down his priesthood. Joseph Smith had many wives and would help himself to other's wives. He was a conman, who had bad intent, he was known to extort in a bank venture that he collaborated in. The temple is not the most sacred place on earth, there is no way to qualify that statement. We want to know what rituals are performed there, we want to understand the evil performed and the damage done. What evil spirits are the LDS church in contact with, Masonry occultic symbolism everywhere. You believe that your children are sealed to you forever and your husband, so that you can be Gods? Thou art a man and not a God, you shall never be God, you or your husband. Reality check time - rhetoric of man that makes you feel complete, this is sad that you have soaked up all the LDS lies. This organisation has much to answer for, the belief that you will rule planets and become a bunch of Gods is a LIE and Holy Blasphemy.Delete
under garments, mostly white, no coffee.ReplyDelete
mormons run a business. they sell you on their beliefs. they are door to door salesmen.
don't refer to their churches as churches, they are buildings with basketball courts and thankfully they have to stay there for 3 hours/+.
what goes on during the wedding?
someone share the craziness!
Yes, and why is it that "other people" can not enter the Temple during the wedding? My husband and I, two old people who made the effort to go to a friend's daughter wedding were not permitted to enter the temple. Our church accepts any one who wants to go in, and so are other temples that I know don't discriminate.Delete
im mormon these are the rules and no they are not guidelines these are the rules unless you want to be kicked out you mum and dads house i dont mind following them apart from the no shoping on sundays the mormons misunderstood the scirptures on that bit and why would there be porn in joeseph smiths time ??? but not all mormon are judge mental around 80-90% are but still people say they are religous but thay swear drink blasfime idolize and more i dont like how it say children have a choice but the parents chose for them because MOST MORMONS ARE JUGDE MENTALReplyDelete
peytonorange your are in heavy denial. All the above rules are true, my teens were a living hell because of my adoptive parent and his calling in the church. He didn't even want to play the slightest father role in my life. Always worried about these damn rules. He would sit me down on the couch and ask what i learned. When it wasn't to his liking he would hit me and my brother.ReplyDelete
Very controlling and sad excuse for a religion.
You're complaining about the actions of your (step) father, not the actions of the church. The church didn't hit you or use unjust dominion over you. There is a huge difference. No wonder you're confused.Delete
Oh wow these are definitely the rules. Yes you can break them, Yes you can be slack but if you do you lose your place with the congregation. Every ward has their "strugglers" they are looked down upon spoken about in meetings and generally believed to be less intelligent or less "spiritual".ReplyDelete
If you want to be one of the respected mormons you absolutely HAVE to live all the rules as above or you are an outsider. It is consistent emotional blackmail that eventually ends in unhappiness or sickness!
Does mormonism condone lying?ReplyDelete
Good question above. While lying is not condoned in the general sense (unless lying to protect the church), the Mormon church has a long history of lying to its own members regarding its origins, doctrine, lives of founders, etc.ReplyDelete
what are you talking about? What history does the church have of lying to its own members? If you are going to claim something like that then back it up with some references please.Delete
That you shall rule over other planetsDelete
Rules written above are a fine example of lying to its own members, these are not of God but are man made.
That Jesus is the spirit child of Lucifer (Satan), Jesus won the argument of the plan of redemption.
That Jesus is the spirit child of all of us and that He is our elder brother.
Joseph Smith and his golden plates - interpreting them with a seer stone
Joseph Smith also often lied about the account of an angel or Jesus and Father God, he would impress people with all manner of lies.
The extra testament that he added to the Holy Bible, a great example of lies.
I will not add references, you can easily look up this information on the Internet, there are many books on this topis also, the better thing to ask is when does the Mormon organisation condone telling the truth, perhaps it does not condone lying to the lower people, this makes a general impression that they do not lie.
I've always wondered - where is the "no slacks for women" actually written, or is it just common practice?ReplyDelete
There is nothing against women wearing slacks. Many sisters wear casual type clothing at Relief Society events that are not held in the chapel. It is our preference to wear dresses or skirt outfits when we are in the Chapel to worship. It is our way of expressing that we care enough to "dress up" in our best as a symbol of respect to our Heavenly Father. In my opinion, wearing slacks, jeans, or other such casual attire is "dressing down" and doesn't present the proper symbol of respect and reverence to Our Heavenly Father.Delete
In regards to garments,aka underwear you wear them when you have been endowed. Nothing to do with if you are married or not.ReplyDelete
Gary ridiculed and avoided????? lets try helped and supportedReplyDelete
Hello all, while some of these rules are true most of them are not I'm not sure where you learned these rules or why you decided to post them without following up on your facts i can assure any non mormons that many of these rules are false. I am a 7th generation mormon, my family has been mostly mormon since 1864 and have been following mormon teaching for over one hundred years so I can assure you we have a very good idea what guidelines we need to follow.ReplyDelete
For those of you who do not like or even despise mormons i'm sorry but until you know us as individual people you shouldn't stereotype us based on religion. while some individual mormons may act the way some of you state that doesn't necessarily apply to all mormons in general.
For those of you who beleive these rules i suggest you follow up with some more accurate research as some of the research stated here is biased and untrue. Oh and finally even if you don't agree with what we do beleive you should still respect our choice to practice this religion.
I was a mormon and your full of crap, .... Those are the rules! This "faith" is based on nothing but lies... and its not a religion.Delete
This a sick cult that will control every aspect of your life. I would gladly shoot myself rather than let let a mormon near my family.
The rules are pretty close if you're getting picky. I was a member for 20 years. I had my moments of enlightenment. Three years ago I stopped attending church. Too many questions and not enough satisfactory answers. It's not for everyone. Alot like work as are a lot of things. Would I be out of line if I asked for my money back? Maybe send it to Haiti. Sorry. My feeble attempt at humour. It's a coping skill. Cheers.ReplyDelete
I belong the LDS Church, and these so called "rules", i'm sorry to say, are just ridiculous !?.ReplyDelete
Admmitedly, as a Mormon woman i did Marry young. But i wasn't underage, i was 18. I had my first child at 19, and do believe that my primary role as a Mormon woman is to be a good and moral Wife and Mother to my children.
Family is extremely important.
We go to Church, and yes, we do dress well for Church, as many of those who are not Mormons do also.
I'm allowed to wear pants, but choose not to, as we are taught to dress modestly and personally i do feel that pants reveal too much 'womanly curve', which i preserve only for my Husband. I wear knee length skirts and dresses only. This aids me in feeling more feminine also.
I don't wear special underwear !
Also, there is no "worthiness interview", that's a crock. As members of the LDS Church we are taught to have respect for everyone :)
I recently had open heart surgery in April of 2011. Having a heart condition, I may not be able to have many kids. In fact, it would be luckly of me to be able to have one. If I did have one, it would be done by a C section.
So would it be looked down upon to have another woman to concieve my children,since I'm not physically able to?
Or by any chance, do you have any other ideas to having kids that would be considered as acceptable?
Can we get a bit of historical objectivity here? the Mormon cult, the CJCLDS, is a spiffied up, glossed over survival of a truly bizzare 19th century "restorationist" fanatic movement. There were many manifestations of that movement in the US, including the 7th day adventists and various offshoots (the Branch Davidians for instance). The "rules" and other aspects of Mormon life and belief are what those rustic North American backwoodsman, raised on king james fire and brimstone old testament mellodrama (but not much else in the way of literature) imagined the 3500 year old Hebrew culture of near east asia to be like. Of course, they are not like the Heberews, certainly not like original 1st century christians of the levant and old Roman Empire, they are a snapshot frozen in time, of white, rural, 19th century America.ReplyDelete
You have to be a square peg to fit in there square hole. In other words, you have to conform to the rules of the church.ReplyDelete
I am LDS so is my wife. I am a convert of ten years. My wife was born into it. Her parents are converts. If I had a second chance at life, I would have opted out of the church. Why? its simple. The church is truly the most judgmental church on the planet! I would say hi to some one and many times, would be ignored! or scoffed at. Its because thay are forcing something on you that you may feel uncomfortable to do!
My then fioncee, who paid full tithing, had lots of callings, was not honest with me, her parents or her bishop at all regarding her credit card debt. Soon after we were engaged, she told me she had 20k in credit card debt. No wonder at the age of 30 she was living at home!
She had always had a full time job, and most of her income was going to her credit card debts!
I wondered why she was asking for money from me even though, I lived in the states. she would complain she was broke, but never told me the truth.
She still to this day, even when I am unemployed for a year, buys big ticket items. She even purchaced a new car! what a lie. Tired of it.
I just want a new job, and move on with my life!
On top of this she lied about our life together in front of our bishop. I should have said, Bishop, she never told me she had 20k in credit card debt before our marriage and its been a issue ever since. She also was required to sponsor me, when in reality, im paying the rent.
Anyway, One thing I will be glad doing is once I get a paying job AWAY from her for periods of time, going to break off the marriage! It wont be to much of shock to her since I will already be gone for extended periods of time.
People, if you get married or seals, ask for a credit check of your future spouse. If she becomes resistant, just walk out of the relationship.
To the woman who said that these "rules, i'm sorry to say, are just ridiculous !?":ReplyDelete
Following that statement, you went on to list that you follow every single one of them... and yet you don't even realize it!
I have had the unfortunate experience of working with 2 IV drug addicted mormon physicians over the last ten years- these so called rules are exactly what made them addicts-ReplyDelete
what a sorry state of affairs-
Good for all of you who can think for yourselves. Those who disagree with this blog probably have lived the sheltered life or are just plain brainwashed. How lucky for you that you are "God's chosen"! These are definitely LDS beliefs.ReplyDelete
Why are Mormons not allowed to drink coffee and tea. I have read the Bible all my adult life and have never seen where it says that it is wrong to drink these beverages.ReplyDelete
Mormons believe in keeping their body which is a temple sacred. This is tought several times in the Bible. The Book of Mormon is another testimant of Christ. In it, latter day prophets revealed to us the "word of wisdom" that serves as a GUIDE. If you are interested to know more about that read Dr. Christionson's pamphlet on the word of wisdom. It tells us specifically what things are good and not good for the belly. It promises that if we live by it we will have heath, and run and not be weary. Every one has their own take on the word of wisdom. Some mormons are more literal and others follow the letter of the law. I an the latter. I drink green tea on occasion but I am not addicted, or in oither words I do not rely on it to start my day. I recognize the good and bad ingredients in food and drinks and try to keep my body healthy by only putting clean things inside. I am a yogi so this also comes from that not just my mormon beliefs. I do not drink carbination or high caffinated drinks, I dont eat fried foods. I pretty much live by the eat clean diet. I feel more energized when I eat healthy, and I am a better mom, wife and friend when I am healthy. Sounds good right? Try it.Delete
As a person who does believe in God I find it unbelievable and absolutely SCARRY that ANYONE would and does believe in the lds church!!!! I find that the mormans that I do know do nothing more than suck people into their cult!!!! And I believe that is exactly what this so called church is and feel extremly sorry for anyone who may have gotten "sucked in". Hopefully their families can de-program them before it is too late!ReplyDelete
First of all, learn how how spell, it's Mormons, not mormans. Second of all, You don't even know what you are talking about. Have you err been a Mormon? Obviously not, since you can't even spell it.Delete
I'm a mormon. AND IT IS A CULT.Delete
As you can see from the post above.... this cult is full of the most judgmental collection of Douch-bags ever.
(hope my spelling of CULT and DOUCH-BAGS is close enough for the "morman" above to understand)
I've been a member all of my life, and while the tone used for the original post was a bit snarky I agree with pretty much everything you wrote.ReplyDelete
I was never told that we had to have kids right away however when we were talking with the bishop preparing for our marriage, in the temple, (in 2004) we were asked when we were planning on having kids. My husband said well when we are making a bit more money etc. Our bishop told us "it doesn't take money to have kids, it takes faith".
We had our 4th child when our first was only 3.5.
I think most people are upset more by the tone that was used in that it mocks the church.
I however find it to be spot on. Some things may not have official doctrine on the books, however you will be judged and criticized (mostly behind your back) for not following it.
Just take a look at a member who drinks caffeine. Caffeine is not restricted. It is not listed in any of the standard works or the Word of Wisdom, yet there is a prevailing attitude that caffeine must be a no-no since it is a common factor in both coffee and tea.
I hadn't had caffeine for over 10 years and being the pious idiot that I was, started pressuring him to stop drinking mountain dew etc. We went to the bishop and the bishop said caffeinated drinks were fine in moderation.
So I started drinking caffeine that day. My mother is appalled. She will not touch caffeine. Many of my other friends can't believe I would drink caffeine. Even when I say that I got "permission" from my bishop 6 years ago they still look at me as if I'm apostatizing. Granted not everyone is this way, but that just goes to show how judgmental we are as a culture.
As of this writing I am a member in good standing. I could pass a temple recommend interview this moment if it wasn't for the fact thatI quit paying our tithing for the time being. I'm concerned that our tithing amount alone pays more than our wards budget for the year (almost double) and the other $500,000 plus is going to SLC and yet our ward is in the red in fast offerings so some tithe payers I know whose husband lost his job and hasn't been able to recoup anything but half of his previous salary were told that they could no longer receive any help after the church helped them out one month.
The church gave over $60 mil in humanitarian aid, however how much are they paying to revitalize downtown SLC? Around $4 BILLION???
To me that is absurd. I don't care if the church earned that money from tithing or from business ventures, when you have a couple who has tithed faithfully be told they can't have help because not enough fast offerings were given but then something like 99% of the tithing money is going to SLC then I have a problem.
Now of course I will be bashed as not being righteous enough or whatever.I think I'm going to start tithing to the local food bank or the salvation army or even the world food programme. My $6000 a year could feed 120 school children in Africa for a year through the World Food Programme. Though I would like to help locally as well.
Whatever, I'm apparently on the brink of apostasy even though I've live the church standards to near perfection for the 27 years of my life. I'm even scared to mention anything to my husband for fear that if church leaders find out (my husband would never tattle though) I could be excommunicated. Ugh it's so frustrating!
My boyfriend (fiancee) is mormon and when religion isn't discussed, his religion isn't a big issue. His mormon parents really like me and I'm mostly accepted among the people in his church. I've never really been confronted or pressured to convert, although I know that I am probably a rare case.ReplyDelete
From an outsider's perspective I have been able to observe what it is to be mormon and live the lifestyle. While most of the "Mormon Rules" read pretty accurate (if not a little exaggerated), I would argue #10, mormons do not associate with non mormons (although once again I may be a special case) but in fact the high school that both my boyfriend and I attended there happened to be large body of mormon students, many who I was good friends with.
Other than that, I have attended the mormon church a couple of times out of curiosity and under open invitation of my boyfriend and his family. For the most part I was warmly welcomed each time I attended (possibly even to warmly but I'm not going to analyze the level of friendliness). If anything it was usually the women who came off at all forward or unwelcoming (which does remind me of a time when I was younger and my friend's mother, who was mormon, basically dropped me off at a Dairy Queen at 9 p.m. for my mom to come and get me. not sure if that's at all relevant but I do know she wasn't very nice to any of her own daughter's non mormon friends). Probably the most hurtful comment I've heard said about me was from one of the women in my boyfriends "ward" encouraging my boyfriend not to date or marry me because I am not a follower of the religion. I am sure she isn't the only one who feels this way, but nothing has ever been said directly to me.
The only big issue that arises from having differing religious views is the issues that arise with my boyfriend. We love each other very much and others peoples opinions are not a big deal, but my boyfriend was raised under the mormon influence and he often worries about my relationship with god, if I even believe in god, or what will ultimately happen to my eternal soul. As someone who does not practice any particular religion, I understand his concerns. I will support my boyfriend in whatever beliefs he has, but that means that I expect the same courtesy from him.
I've thought about converting to mormonism and what that would mean for me and its not a possibility. I would be lying to myself and to God. I believe the most important part of life is forming your own views and having your own relationship with God and not what religion you are and if yours is the "true" religion. Living life is not that black and white but its also not as complicated as religion has made it to be.
Jesus explains he is the way the truth and the life only him. All these rule and restrictions would seem to take the place of Gods intention, with sending his one true sacrifice we don't need self discipline we need prayer and Gods strength to live the life he chooses which isn't based on outward appearances it is based on our surrender to God thru Jesus Christ our saviour because those he sets free are free indeedReplyDelete
The first time most people attend the temple is at twelve, they don't have to wear garments until they are what is called 'endowed', this doesn't happen until you want to go on a mission or are planning on getting married. Also most people get married early becuase they can't have sex until marriage, getting married early isn't a law, my mum and dad got together when she was 29 and he was 37. Also, some people don't have kids for years, its encouraged because family is a big thing, but again its not enforced, no one has ever said to a married mormon couple, hey, have kids now or die, its not how it works. Futhermore, the non-mormon association thing is WACK. If i could apparently not associate with other mormons then believe me, my life would be very boring. Dating non mormons is discouraged because of religious conflicts, and conflicts about the sex thing that may arise in the future. You are allowed to marry guys who aren't returned missionaries, its not a problem if you don't since like, there aren't enough to go round. And you are allowed to question mormon authority, we're humans, questioning is one of the best things we do. You can ask questions all you like. I have. Its not a big deal.ReplyDelete
Wow... Has no one here ever taken a science class?ReplyDelete
Science has its place. but this isn't it. as far as creation goes, science has alot to learn,there is a God, he sent one who was his own son to pay the price for all of us. EVERY SINGLE ONE of us is born into sin and there is only ONE way to get free. JESUS the son of the one TRUE GOD is the one we ask to save us from our sin. You cannot work your way to heaven by acts of kindness ect, it is by God's grace alone that we are saved not by works, lest any man should boast.ReplyDelete
God's not interested in ritual and special underwear. We have no power of our own that will save us from what is to come, only through God's son JESUS. Read the Bible, the Bible is truth, history, factual, not random figures and statements, plucked out of some scientific calculation. Figures like millions of years and billions of light years...just make it up, do what ever you need to so no-one discovers the truth ! The devil knows his time is short, he'll do anything, say anything, to destroy you. God has a future for you. Jesus said " The devil comes to steal and to kill and to destroy, I come that you may have Life, and have it more abundantly. JESUS CHRIST died and rose again to save us from eternal damnation. Which is what you will get with out JESUS!
There is an existence beyond this life, now where do you want to be ? Jesus will lead you to everlasting life, any other way will lead to eternal punishment by the devil and the rest of his fallen angels. It was one of his angels that came to Joseph Smith and decieved him, which led to the deception being spred through out the world.
Why use just some of the bible and make up the rest ? Go get a bible and read and study the whole thing.
You will know the truth, and THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE !!
JESUS IS LORD !!
Is no one concerned that the next President of the United States is bound to these beliefs. I find it very scary and not because of his political viewsDelete
I would never vote for a mormon period.Delete
This is because i am a mormon and know first hand that they will say and do anything to get your to share their twisted view of things.
"this isn't just sketchy....." LOL
I was baptised 8 months ago and now I really regret it, but feel bad because by leaving I will hurt a lot of good and well meaning people, but I do not and have never felt the church to be true. I have never felt the spirit. I was baptised after being told i would feel the spirit and witness it's truth after i was baptised. This never happended and only after i was baptised was I told the truth about the rules. Before I was baptised my sister missionary told me i could drink coke and cafinated drinks, just not tea and coffee, she said she drank them all the time. After i was baptised she told me the truth, she has never drunk and cafinated drink as cafinated drinks are not allowed. It was only after i was baptised I learnt that all my clothes had to go below my knee, my tops must always cover my shoulders and never show any thing resembling cleavage. (I am a Top heavy, tiny woman, this is extreamly hard, since my boobs practically come up to my neck and at 5ft tall almost everyone can see down my top) As a ex jehovah witness ( i was a devout JW for 23 years) I have a lot of scriptual questions that have never been answered since the missionaries stoped teaching me once i was baptised and no one else knows the answers to my questions, I keep getting told to have faith. I wasn't told until after i was baptised that mormons believe in 3 degrees of heavenly glory and a 4th with no glory removed from god. That to get into the top glory of heaven i must be married. And when i questioned Joseph smith claim he saw god all hell broke loose. (mormons claim to respect and use the bible but when the bible contradicts the book of mormon they tell you the bible is inacurate. Well from beginning to end it took 6000 years for the bible to be written so if it's not ispired what is. from begining to end the bible is in harmony about one thing, that no man can see god and live. There are 3 accounts were men saw the glory of god, the glory not god him self just the glory as god spoke to them through this and what happended to these ppl? they were all seriously maimed. If Joseph smith saw god, why did ne not die on the spot?)ReplyDelete
I keep desperately wanting this church to be true, and keep desperately trying to believe, but I just can't.
Dear Brisbanebec---this is a cult and when you made those secret phrases and motions that was some sort curse they want you to put on yourself---when you move your hand across your throat that is to simulate that you will die if you ever reveal mormon secrets. C'mon wake up and GET OUT!Delete
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What part of the bible say that "no man can see God and live" ?Delete
What about Adam, Eve, Moises? didn't they see God? Just curious.
Go out and live your life and stop reading and listening to all this religious claptrap. As for mormons they seem to make up the rules as they go along, the reality is the only thing they are interested in is your cash! Think Joseph smith was seriously maimed......he was a headcase. Honestly if someone tried that story of his in this day and age they would either be in receipt of psychiatric treatment or locked up for fraud.Delete
"Jesus jammies" You gotta be kidding me. This is a cult.ReplyDelete
you all are idiots.. you only hate us because we are different! so what you know one person who is mormon and you judge us all.. and you think we are judgmental.. People no one is perfect. get over your selves.ReplyDelete
I so agree with you. They are blaming us for being judgemental when they are just judging us. StupidDelete
Wow...this list is great! The garments must be hell to wear, especially in the summer.ReplyDelete
And why oh why must the women wear all these layers--it's like they always have 2 extra t-shirts under their lame tops? God forbid one of them shows some cleavage!
Yeah the list is all true. I attend the mormon church now. I was raised mormon, 3rd generation both sides I guess, which is a lot for here in Australia.ReplyDelete
I served a mission for 2 years and stopped attending church a year after that. Five years passed, during which time I declared myself agnostic and thought it most probably people were simply deluded in their conviction that a particular religion is true (ie, born muslim, muslim = true, born mormon, mormon = true).
But one day I had a powerful experience that really changed my life when I decided to read the New Testament. It was like a light exploded in my life and I knew with clarity and certainty that Jesus Christ's teachings in the New Testament are true.
So I started attending the mormon church again, as per my childhood. Still I'm not convinced it's true. I will probably be formally excommunicated in a few weeks. I have never had any experience telling me mormonism is true comparable to the one I had telling me of the Christ.
But I wonder, perhaps my 'experience' was a simple delusion born of my own mind? really hard to tell, and, truth be told, does it matter?
I also cannot give my money to a church that will turn people out of their chapel if they're a woman wearing pants. Salt l=Lake sounds like it's becoming a Temple of Mammon, with all the money they're pouring into it. vatican city of the mormon church. i want no part in funding that. other problems i have are the church's racist history, joseph smith's many wives, many under 18 (one was 14). it is true that many members are more focussed on their church callings than actually helping the sick and clothing the poor.
most members are very closed-minded. my father once yelled at me when i casually mentioned one of the many virtues of buddhism, calling it a load of crap.
so i guess my message is just that learning christ is true during the missionary discussions does NOT mean that their church is "true".
Aargh, but I do feel trapped in this church. I will attend on sundays but not partake of anything more than sunday sermons and socializing.
i hope i am excommunicated instead of a simple disfellowship. wonder if i can just ask for it heh.
good luck to all others in similar situations as I.
life is freedom to be enjoyed the way one wants to.......ReplyDelete
explain excommunicated and disfellowship please ?ReplyDelete
These comments are funny to read! I was born and raised Mormon and married in the temple. I am no longer active in the church, and funny thing....I am a successful single mother with 2 great kids, work a full time job and own a house! (Imagine that! Someone who has fallen off the "Mormon wagon" and still has it together!) To those of you who are saying, "These are guidelines...you have your own free will.." WHATEVER!! The Mormon Church leads by FEAR and GUILT. You don't have to pay tithing, but if you don't, you can't go to the temple. If you can't go to the temple, you can't be with your children forever. All I can say is I think GOD will look more highly of a woman who has always been here for her two kids, DAY IN, DAY OUT, than a man who committed adultery and left his pregnant wife, but still attends church. I just wish people would think for themselves...ReplyDelete
this blog is great. 2 of my friends are mormon married and each have 4 kids. they have been trying to momonize me for almost a year. i finally did my own research because they are not very open about the religion and kind off secretive about it.i am completely shocked at how many people are brainwashed.ReplyDelete
it makes me sick to my stomache that as soon as a mormon has a child they start brainwashing them, i personally feel that that is mental abuse. i have met a lot of mormon kids that are "off" confused about what is real and what is not, my heart goes out to those children and i wish religion was not introduced until minds are mature enough to make their own decisions on the matter.
i do not believe in a god, but i respect other peoples believes as long as it is not harming anyone in the process, especially innocent children.
why can't sociatey live for the now and worry about what happens after death when you die. put more energy into now. if your god's are so great then they will forgive you when you die.
please do not put your children through the mormon religion, i was so disturbed by my findings
Tara, you are wrong.ReplyDelete
I'm a Muslim and I found out the rules are about the same such as for alcohol,sex before marriage, modesty. I think those 3 are good rules but others I'm not so sure.
These rules are so off. I am not Mormon but I am friends with many Mormons and currently dating a Mormon man (though I am a NONreligious woman). Though all have invited me to church, none have tried to convert me or push me in anyway. Young men are not required to serve a mission, Mormoms can marry people of any faith, etc. Basically, most of these rules are either being twisted out of context or flat out not true.ReplyDelete
In response to an earlier comment, some Mormons don't have the best personality. Just as some Christians, Catholics, Buddhists, Muslims, Jews, etc. don't have the best personalities. It's the individual, not the church. In my experience, most Mormons I know are sweet, devout and of high moral standards.
I was born and raised in the church, and your comments are false. Young men are not exactly "required" to go on missions, but they know if they do not, then they will be chastised and looked down upon. And mormons can NOT marry people of any other faith, because people of other faith are not allowed into the temple where mormons are supposed to be "sealed" to reach the highest level of heaven. It looks like your friends are twisting the truth to make the church seem more lenient than it really is.Delete
Think about it for a moment, this is the Only Church and religion that has such anti stuff about it BECAUSE Satan knows it is the Truth, thus why he Tries SO Hard and devotes most his efforts to attacking it and it's core values, for example the family.ReplyDelete
"worthiness interview"...yes they have them...what is this , each one makes up the rules as they go along......i got out before they could suck me in too far....i dont believe in the joseph smith stuff , never could , never will....i was mentally screwed by 2 mormon men , their kind of love ( if you can call it love ) was phoney and pure misery.the minute i threw the book of mormon in the dumpster and told God i was sorry , my relationship w/God and Jesus has soared :)ReplyDelete
The rules you should follow are the ones God spoke of not what man kind made up. I'm happy to follow my Lord Jesus and his teachings not the teachings of man. Now if someone on here can pinpoint these rules/guidelines in the Bible then show them to me cause these rules/guidelines are not there. These are made up rules/guidelines that man came up with because they did not like the ones God had told us and there are over 613 rules/guidelines just look in the first 5 books of the bible and read what God has spoken throw Moses.ReplyDelete
I was Mormmon until I was 39. I went to BYU. From what I recall, mostly everything the original post writer stated about the Mormons is true. Also I remember the emphasis being placed on Joseph Smith, rather than onReplyDelete
Christ. I think that has changed somewhat now. I have found LDS men to be very self centered, egotistical. I wouldn't want this religion for anyone
you might want to try a mainline religion. You've concentrated on fundamentalist types religions. Usually mainline religion, like Episcopalian, Methodist, will answer any question and will allow you to form your opinion, viewpoint. If you want freedom to think, to use your brain, you shouln't go to a fundy church. Joseph Smith was mentally ill. No mentally ill person should ever invent a religion. And, also any mormon who uses Satan to justify their faith should know that it certainly doesn't impress most of us. Get a grip: Satan is metaphorical for human error, sin. Wish you the best Brisbane.... it's so so good to be out of the mormon church.
To the person who said "Me said...."ReplyDelete
I just wanted to tell you that you can easily become a mormon without playing their silly excommunication game. You don't need to meet with those power hungry men regarding your feelings, ideas. You simply DO NOT attend their meeting. What you should do is write a letter (their are some sample letters on the internet). You explain that you want your name removed from the membership of the ward. Do this also with the main body of the church in Salt Lake. It works like a charm. I generally don't have missionaries at my step. Good luck!
I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints. I was reading this post to see what the rest of the world thinks about us. Some of the things you wrote are true, some are not. For example, we are not forced to do anything. We are encouraged.ReplyDelete
1. We do pay 10% of all our earnings to our church, which go to temple building, church building, paying seminary (like Sunday school but during the week for youth) teachers, humanitarian aid after natural disasters, funds for scout camp and girls camp, ward budgets for parties and youth activities and many more. By paying tithing our church is never in debt. It also helps with the bishops store house which is for all members who are going through financial troubles.
2. We generally do not question our prophet because we believe his words. But if we do, we are encouraged to personally pray and seek for answers. The way we come to believe him is by gaining a personal testimony through prayer, and scripture study.
3. We only say "I know the church is true" if we actually do know. Also we don't call it the mormon church. We call it the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, the name which Joseph Smith was told to name the church. Joseph Smith saw the Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ when he was seeking to know which church to join.
4. This one is mostly correct. We do need a temple recommend go to the temple. The ordinances done there are sacred. And are needed to enter into the celestial kingdom (there are three kingdoms of glory: celestial, terrestrial, and telestial) of God. We also do these ordinances for the dead, so that those who didn't get the opportunity on earth can still get the blessing of immortality.
5. This is correct.
6. We are allowed to have herbal tea. Also caffeine is okay when it is needed like when driving at night. The problem rests when one becomes addicted.
7. You do not need to get married early. I know many LDS members who aren't married at all. We marry when we are ready. You are right about the last two.
8. You do not need to have children early, again, it is when you are ready. And you can have as many as you want, or as little as you want. However, both are encouraged. Gods first commandment to Adam and Eve, as well as to us was to multiply and replenish the earth, once married in the temple. If you are unable to provide for a family, that is okay, we will not think any less of you. And if someone does, they do not fully understand the religion. The whole meaning of our church is to act as Christ would act.
9. We do preach if someone asks, we don't just go up to anyone, hand them a book of mormon and say "Join our church." We do want to bring people to christ, this is why we want people to investigate it. It is when people give false information that they are doubtful. We are not required to preach to anyone, encouraged.
10. Totally false. I have many non LDS friends who I love just as much as my LDS ones. We are taught to love everyone no matter the circumstances, anyone who doesn't, doesn't live the true religion.
11. At age 19 boys are instructed to go on a 2 year mission, this is true.ReplyDelete
12. Women do not have to marry and RM. My dad is not a returned missionary, yet him and my mom were still sealed in the temple for eternity.
13. We do go to Church every sunday, 3 hours, yes it seems like a lot. It sometimes is. And yes meeting during the week are important. About the couples getting married on saturday and going to church the next day, I don't even know where that came from. Thats false. You can marry whenever you want.
14. That is correct. A skirt and shirt is also fine for the girls as long as they aren't too short. Boys wear a suit, yes. But it doesn't need to be boring, a neighbor of mine had a bright purple suit once. It was awesome.
15. Callings are jobs that your bishop or steak president gives you. They pray about who to call, and when you are called you can turn it down, but it isn't right to turn away Gods plan for you. And yes it takes time, but in our church, we believe in eternal life, so a couple extra hours is no big deal.
16. Correct. You teach a lesson from the Ensign (a church magazine that contains talks from the prophets and apostles). You also check up on them. Make sure that they are okay, and help them with any problems they might have.
17. Fasting is not always for 24 hours, it is for 2 consecutive meals. Water is okay if needed, like when you feel parched, or too hungry to function. Kids are not required to fast. My family says that when you are 12 years old then you get to fast. You fast for something or someone that needs extra love and help.
18. That is correct. Hanging out with family is good, you can still play frisbee or something in the back yard, that fine. Sunday is the day God rested after creating the world. We are asked to take this day to rest from worldly pressures and problems.
19. Shorts that go above the knee are okay. Just not shorter than the tips of your fingers. No tank tops, or sleeveless shirts is correct. The reason for that is so that it does not arouse sexual feelings.
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I know that all these things are for our benefit. This is the True Church. My name is Emma, and I am a Mormon.
Hello, I like the way you put this togheter, I am not a mormon and ther is no way that I would ever be. I do have one question... why you guys call mormon house of god a 'CHURCH' when you guys dont have a CROSS on it.Delete
My husbands brother marry a mormon and they have 4 children. No money what so ever, those kids are on diet, and very weird behavior. She likes to talk about everybody bad in our family and she is a boss in her house. This does not make any sence to me...
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Can you please elaborate on what the "parroted phrases" mormons are taught to say when their beliefs are challenged? Half my family converted and I am completely perplexed by their seemingly refusal to actually think about church policies and dodge questions that require honest answers.ReplyDelete
Why would god want this for us? I believe that god is a loving god, who will not send You to hell if you don't follow all these insane rules. And why would anyone believe Joseph smith, a man, not anything else, that he had some personal visit with god? He is a man! I have much respect for eveyone's beliefs, but come on! You can't talk to anyone that isn't Mormon? Are they crazy? Doesn't god just want us to unite and love all? Isn't that what life is about?ReplyDelete
lol nuts its a way of life, most of this is one sided, mind you its a good laugh, i think ill carry on being a mormonReplyDelete
I am a member of the LDS Church, and I have to say I am shocked at all most the comments made. Yes these are guidelines/ commandments by God, but these guidelines are twisted, my sister had friends that non-members of the church, but they respected her even went to church whit her stayed the full 3 hours, when they had a question some was always there to answer there question.ReplyDelete
now for me I am having a hard time finding the truth myself, I didn't feel the spirit at first as I grew up in the church I had gained a small testimony of the church, every testimony is different in someone else in the church. that testimony is falling apart, but I haven't given up, yes I tasted the bad side of life, I did everything and I felt like crap after that, God forgave me when I said a personal prayer to him for his forgivens, my heart felt lifted when the prayer was over, I am talking to my Bishop and I am proud to say he the best Bishop I have, he fasts for everyone in the ward, he welcomes anyone with a warm greeting wont push away, or scoled you for who you are.
and I may recall, I remember making hi-gin kits for the people in Hatti, and we do have a Bishop store house, were the families that cant really afford the groceries at the normal stores can go, that's where the fast offerings go.
life as a Mormon(LDS) may seem hard to you, but for me I am working heard to get to where my testimony stays strong, and it is strong and will keep growing till the day I die, and I will continue the lords work with Joseph Smith, and Gordon B. Hinkly at my side, preaching the words of the true gospel to those who are dead so they can live with Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ. I bear my testimony that I know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Sants is true, the Book of Mormon is another testament of Jesus Christ and I know it to be true, I know that forgivens has been given to me though Jesus Christ and hope and pray that my fellow brothers and sister will be forgiven as well. I say this in the name of Jesus Christ, Aman
I am a Child of God and he has sent me here to do is will befor it grows to late lead me guide me walk beside me help me find the way teach me all that I must do to live with him someday,
Eh your spending too much time listening and talking to dead people. It's all crazy religious propaganda your spouting .time to join the real world.Delete
Dude Gary you are my hero. 18 years of mormon hell and I've come to the conclusion that the only reason this religion is messed up is because of the people. They look at the world in a certain point of view and if you do not follow this view you are demonic and should be judged. I was the most quiet little mormon who followed all of your damn rules up til I realized you people of the mormon religion do not understand the meaning of life and what you hope others will understand some day. STOP JUDGING YOU *****!!!!! ISN'T THAT WHAT GOD TAUGHT YOU TO DO!!!ReplyDelete
scary...but then again i would be scary to these people when they see a person like me and in my eyes they see someone who views the world with his own 2 eyes.ReplyDelete
I live surrounded by Mormons and I have dear friends who are Mormons and I celebrate them as individuals even if they follow these strict rules. What is much more sinister to me is the nepotism and tightly interwoven social/economic/political circles they have that keep the pressure on to tithe and not leave the church. That's what makes it a cult. Anytime a group/church makes you feel bad for questioning, or for wanting to leave and threatens to ostrocize you if you leave/join another faith-especially a Christian faith, then it's a CULT! Heeeeellloooo- red flag! The LDS church is a huge cult that is really a business that's run on communist like techniques and tension to keep feeding the monster. Love the people- the institution is what scares the hell out of me. What's sad is many exLDS become atheists and throwout all religion as even in their disbelief they can't break apart the Book of Mormon from the Old and New testament. Break them apart and the truth is left alone- pure and unadulterated. In the "apostacy" Christian faith their is no question that has not been tackled and answered. Go into any Christian book store and buy a book on any topic and challenge yourself. Apologetics Christian vs LDS head to head and they know they can't compete. 20,000 sources of archeological proof for Old/New testament. Zero for Book of Mormon, okay maybe 1 piece- yet to be proven. Peace out!ReplyDelete
Religion is for the weak-mindedReplyDelete
I have been looking into the religion and trying to find answers and yet I have not found them.ReplyDelete
There are so many rules for females, I feel like I could never become a female morman as I drink coffee, I dress in my own clothes, I smoke, I have 4 tattoos so I would never be accepted into the church.
Iv seen so much in my life and still in 14years of preying iv had no answers.
I joined the Mormon church at the age of 14. I was extremely devout and followed the Church's teachings without question. Unfortunately, striving for perfection led to a severe eating disorder and low self esteem. My parents had divorced because my father had been sexually abusing my sisters, yet the bishop of my ward refused to help my unemployed mother financially because she "didn't do enough to save her marriage." I was also told that my sisters, mother and I did not constitute a family because my mother wasn't sealed to my father. Then I'd have to sing "Families Can Be Together Forever" every week. I'm not sure if the church still practices Tithing Settlement, but at the time members did have to prove to the bishop that they were paying a full tithe in order to receive a temple recommend. No temple recommend, no celestial kingdom, so yes, it is emotional blackmail. At the age of 46 I watched the movie "Jesus" with Jeremy Sisto. I realized that the Mormon temple does require payment to enter, and I do not believe Jesus would condone this. I also realized that Jesus said not to worry about what you eat; it is what comes out of your mouth that will defile you. This contradicts the Word of Wisdom. I have been inactive for over 20 years and did not raise my children in the church, but the emotional damage remains. I would love to enjoy a cup of coffee, but can't due to the guilt. Yet common sense tells me, based on Jesus' words, that people who are kind to their fellow man will inherit the highest degree of glory, whether or not they drink coffee.ReplyDelete
The LDS temple does NOT require payment to go in. It requires a recommend.Delete
The LDS temple does NOT require payment to go in. It requires a recommend.Delete
Looollll... You have to pay tithing to go to thé temple... That is a bunch of money!!!!Delete
Looollll... You have to pay tithing to go to thé temple... That is a bunch of money!!!!Delete
Thanks for your comment and so glad to hear your kids didn't have to go through what you went through. We've heard so many stories like yours.ReplyDelete
Don't feel guilty about coffee, there's nothing wrong with it and you should be able to enjoy it.
Thanks so much for your encouragement!ReplyDelete
What I find most amazing is most of you call yourselves MEMBERS??? I didnt think you were a member of Christ you are a son or daughter of Christ! Being a MEMBER is to be in a gang, a cult or a club not one of Christs children. The real fact is you live how you live and God knows how you live and he knows well EVERYTHING!!! It dosnt matter if you believe or not he knows your heart and its your heart that matters most. Plus as far as I know Adam and Eve were given the entire world as theirs (incl coffee beans and tea leaves) just NOT to eat the fruit off ONE particular tree. (And we know what happened there..lol) Live as God would... In total Trust, Loyalty, Love and Prayer! ONLY God can judge you!!! And if you dont know to believe in God or not... the thing to ask is if he IS REAL what side do you want to be on??? Glory to God for everything he does. No Im not Mormon (I live like it though to a point) No Im not Christian (But I believe) I am ME I am GODS daughter and Im not 100% perfect (Im human) BUT I love God and I love people and I do what I can to make other people feel the grace of God through me be it help or just a smile! I watch my Dog, Cat and Rat get along like neither knows what the other is and its amazing how they get along, but its more astounding how us humans cant do the same thing!!! JUST LOVE EVERYTHING even the person who does you wrong, for they will be judged. BUT SO WILL YOU!!! I have studied (basically) every belief and with some I dont believe and with others I can see each connection to God and in my view the ones who believe in God have the most come against them.... So really they must be pretty powerful and have alot of confidence in their saviour, because he puts it there. BE YOURSELF AND BE REAL! Thats all you need to do, the rest follows if your on the right path for you! So dont argue about who is better than who and dont judge another for their belief... Its all under control... Gods on it!!! ;PReplyDelete
4. Pass a worthiness interview yearly so you can attend the temple where you perform religious ordinances for the dead and learn the secret phrases and motions that will supposedly enable you to enter heaven.ReplyDelete
OK...Didn't Jesus die on the cross for our sins so that we could have eternal life? Yes, yes He did. So Exactly where in the bible does it say that we must learn secret phrases and motions to get into Heaven? Because all that I have found that lines up with the word of God is that we must come to Him with a pure heart and ask for forgiveness of our sins and mean it!
A more comprehensive list of 613 Mormon rules can be found at HTTP://WWW.afterallwecando.comReplyDelete
I have a good friend who is Mormon and just once in a while do we talk religion. I am Catholic by the way. We just enjoy each others company. She's been there for me in good and bad times and so have I for her. I am noticing facts that are being disclosed by my friend without really realizing it though. They don't really like black people she talks down about them and that really bothers me. She also is very strict about keeping her house super clean and don't let me get started on the pantry food storage. She never comes to my house because I have a dog and she is totally afraid of it. when I asked why she cleans the house so much she said it was because you never know when Heavenly Father is going to visit. I don't think God requires a spotless anything in order to be close to someone. I know all about the garments and all I can say is with my hot flashes I'm glad I'm not Mormon. LOLReplyDelete
I am so trying to understand this religion. I have a good friend who has a daughter who went through 2 bad marriages, had 3 children, the first at a very young age, 16 or 17. My friend and her husband have been there for their daughter and the 3 grandchildren and love them all so very much. She would put them 1st before her own needs. They raised her in a Catholic family. Then one day she met a man that seemed like an answered prayer for this family. They moved in together. Then they started attending a Mormon church, they got married at the temple, and some of her non Mormon family attended at the temple. Then they pretty much cut off all contact with family. My friend is devastated, she is not allowed to see or talk to her grandchildren that she loves so much and has been such a huge part of their lives. This is heart breaking! I just do not believe God would approve of this! I am a saved born again Christian and believe in Gods word. I just cannot make sense of this religion. Please someone enlighten me!ReplyDelete
If you get a chance, read "The God Delusion" by Richard Dawkins. Keep in mind, this book is written from a scientific point of view and covers interesting topics such as the the big bang theory and natural selection. An interesting take on religion by an atheist author.ReplyDelete
I have question...do Mormons look at non Mormons as Evil beings and that it is alright to lie,cheat or steal from them because they are of the Devil. Certain religions have this type of belief. I have had business dealings with a couple of Mormons and have both times been scammed and cheated with no apology from them. It seemed very contrary to what I would think a religious person would be like.ReplyDelete
I posted a comment seeking clarification on this as well and have received no further information. The way it was put to my by I person that I trust is that it is not condidered lying or being untruthful if the party you are dealing with or person you are talking to is not a Mormon.Delete
I'm a bit late to the discussion, but anyone who has been on a mission knows this list is nearly all false, and what is true shows a serious lack of commitment to God. If the author finds it too much of a sacrifice to spend three hours at church when God said we are to keep the Sabbath Day holy...well, three hours isn't asking a lot. For a person who loves God, a three hour visit with Him is a privilege, not a trial. Service in the church--also a privilege to serve God.ReplyDelete
Tithing: You pay ten percent yes, but net or gross is between you and God. The church does not say what constitutes ten percent.
Questioning authority: We are taught that we have a responsibility to take the gospel to God directly, not to trust any person. If you hear a doctrine you aren't sure about, you are required to study, make a decision, and pray for confirmation. So, you're wrong there--we question and ask God, the only source of truth. When I joined the church, I did that often. After I had a testimony that the prophet was really chosen by God, I needed to do so less often, but sometimes I still do and I'm encouraged to do so. Not many churches today want you asking God. In fact, many specifically "warn" you not to.
Getting married early and having a lot of children you can't afford is not doctrine. Some people might act like it is, but it is not. You are encouraged to marry, of course, because God said so, right in Genesis. When depends on when God confirms to you that you've found the right person. The number of children is between you and God.
There is no home teaching or visiting teaching manual. The lessons are in a magazine and on the website. They are brief messages you share with those you visit. During the visit, you find out if the family needs anything and then you make sure their needs are met. If you can't meet them alone, you ask for help. This ensures all members of the church, including the poor and the elderly, are watched over, loved, and have friends. In the course of my work in this area, I have found a woman in a coma, discovered a family without food, and been called on to comfort someone whose mother was dying. This is Christ-like service, hardly something to criticize.
It is not true we aren't supposed to associate with non-members except to do missionary work. We live in the world and we have friends there. Most of my friends are not Mormon.
This barely touches the article, but it is enough to demonstrate the author seems not to understand his former religion very well. There is a saying that the reason people leave the church is the same reason they fall out of bed--they aren't in it far enough. I think the author might be a bit surprised if he took the time to learn the religion correctly.
To the person above--the church does not teach you to cut off your relationships with outsiders. In fact, it is just the opposite. The author mislead readers on this. When I joined the church I was taught to spend more time with my family and to be a better daughter. (I was a teenager.) It is possible there is more to the story than you've been told--there often is.
Rape Victims: It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle The Miracle of Forgiveness, SWK pg 196ReplyDelete
this was not was I was hoping to find when I googled LDS Standards. This is the most inaccurate list I've ever seen. Satan works by partial truths. There is some fact interlaced with very deceiving lies.ReplyDelete
What a sad post and sad comments. You can't believe everything you read, especially from websites that exist purely to bash Mormons. What is wrong with people trying to better themselves and others? Nothing. Yes, I know for sure there are LDS members who might 'look down' or put themselves above others but that is such a small portion. The entire purpose of life is to become more like Christ and those who are truly living the Gospel of Jesus Christ, wouldn't put others down. We want to share the gospel with others so they can find fulfillment and happiness and comfort in this crazy mixed up world. There is so much stuff I want to address but it's better for me to leave this, try to erase all the falsities woven through this entire blog from my mind and continue to live the life I KNOW 100% that Heavenly Father wants me to live.
I don't want to argue about something so important and sacred especially in this context where there is no way I can defend every false statement made.
read the Morman Murders, not fictional , eye openingReplyDelete
I myself, was born and raised Mormon. I grew up in the Salt Lake area all of my life. At the time, I felt lucky to be raised there, still do. Though, the older I got, the harder it was for me to be happy. As I got older, I started having experiences with other members and leaders of the church that started shaking my faith. Comments at my expense and pressures that I didn't feel were warranted. "Why aren't you married?" was one I received frequently and was left feeling very inadequate. I know that this was my doing and inadequacies but, to continually be reminded of what people felt I was lacking instead of seeing the person I was was a difficult time for me.ReplyDelete
I've read many of the comments and find some I can relate with and some I disagree with. I feel, that there is an overwhelming push to be a certain way. Get married young, have kids, etc. Many times, I got asked, "Are you married?", "no", "going on a mission?", "no", "well, what are you doing?", "Working and going to school." It was then I would get the look of disaproval like what I was doing was the lesser of the things to be doing. I don't know if others have experienced what I have but, these experiences and a few others have made me question. Do I really want to be associated with people who treat each other like this? I know, not all members are like this. I know many members who are great and wonderful people who do good things. Though, it's unfortunate that members and those in leadership positions can be such a detourant to those in and out of the church.
To some degree, I still have a testimony of the church. I've had experiences that I can not and will not deny that the Lord was guiding my life. Precious moments that I know to be true and honest moments that the spirit touched my life and gave me hope. But, dealing with a variety of members in multiple states has made me question what I really want.
If you want to know what is and isn't true for you, do your homework in repituable places from reputiable sources. Make your own informed decision.
I am searching for the Mormon definition of lying. There is a written definition that if you lye to a non Mormon or are not truthful with a non Momrmon that it is not considered lying or being untruthful. This idea was brought to my attention by someone that is very credible and very intelligent, a scholar. This person is 85 years old and cannot remember where they read it.ReplyDelete
I, too am very shocked at these days rules. I have a friend who is Mormon.ReplyDelete
this is crazy, I belive in God, not in a religion, I am a Christian and a follower of God.ReplyDelete
I am new to the Morman Church. But it has accured to me that there has not been any talk about the 10 Commandments. They seem to worship this man called Joseph Smith and not Jesus. I was told by a member that we as members are brothers and sisters to Jesus and as such we don't have to worship him. I NEVER heard such crap! One of the 10 Commandments states, " Do not worship any other GODS before me." So, I feel they are going in the wrong direction, a direction that is not for me or my family.ReplyDelete
I am living with a bunch of mormons. they have no money and too many kids. i am wondering how somebody can seriously believe in this....ReplyDelete
I was "baptized" by my boss who is Mormon, I felt pressured to do so as everyone I worked with is Mormon. I was never given a full disclosure as to the rules, I'm shocked to say the least. I am a single mother and work my ass off! My fiancé grew up Mormon but is now an alcoholic due to the brainwashing and guilt he feels. I don't know if he can come out of this. thank you for this blog, It's nice to know I'm not alone. by the way I love coffee, and hate going to church! I'm judged on a daily basisReplyDelete
These rules are certainly out of context. They are interpretations of cultural behaviors exhibited by some members of the church.ReplyDelete
1.Tithing - This is true. This doctrine has been practiced by many religions since the beginning of time. The prophet Abraham paid tithing to Melchezidek. Fast Offerings are for the needy. It is a choice to pay fast offerings.
2.I have always been taught to pray about and receive for myself a confirmation of what the leaders of he church instruct us on.
3. Why else would you choose to belong to a religion you didn't believe was true and complete. We do believe that Joseph Smith did indeed see God the Father and Jesus Christ and was called as a prophet.
4.This is true if not stated curtly with out context. Not all members of the Church go to the Temple. Temple worthiness is a goal that we all seek to achieve. It takes serious commitment to do so. The blessings of being able to enter the temple are beautiful and humbling.
5.These are an outward symbol of our inward commitments. We wear them as a reminder of our deep and sacred commitment to our Father in Heaven. Similar to a pray shawl in Judaism
6.True- This doctrine is called the word of wisdom and has been practiced in the Church since the mid 1800's when no one knew smoking was bad for you. This doctrine also includes things that we should do like eat oats and grains, fruits and vegetables, get good amounts of sleep and avoid substances that are harmful.
7.Get married when you are ready, No sex before marriage and no living together if you are boyfriend and girlfriend.
8. Wholly false. There is no doctrinal basis for this. I have family members that have not been able to have children.
9. We are active missionaries. This is true. I would love everyone to find the same joy that I have in my faith.
10.Untrue in every way. I have more non-Mormon friends then Mormon friends.ReplyDelete
11. Service age is at 18 for men and 19 for women now and it is a personal choice to serve. The church helps those that cannot afford to pay for their missions.
12. Not true - I am not a return missionary and I am married. This is silly.
13. Church 3 hours - we have sacrament meeting much like mass for the 1st hour, Sunday school for the 2nd hour and Priesthood and Relief society for the 3rd hour. My wife and I were indeed married on a Saturday and did not find ourselves at church the next Sunday.we were a little preoccupied.
14.The church has no dress code. This is silly. The only thing that is asked is that if possible that when men are officiating in the priesthood that they wear a white shirt out of respect. It is common to see people at church in church style clothes.
15. We have a lay ministry. The leaders of our church are not paid to perform service. We are asked to perform callings in the local church. I have been a Sunday school teacher, a guy that puts up chairs to the guy that helps with boy scouts. We are called and then asked to pray about it and see if you are willing to do that job
16.This is an awesome program. We visit each other in our homes to check on each other and see if there is anything we can do to help each other out. We share a gospel message and offer assistance. I love my home teachers and love being a home teacher.
17. We fast the first Sunday of each month. This is a 2 meal fast not 24 hours. This fast can be for any purpose that the individual deems worthy. My mother is diabetic and cannot fast.
18.Keep the Sabbath day Holy. Simple. We strive to keep it so and not participate in activities that will take away from it. We spend time with families’ help others out and perform service.
19. This is true. Trying to be modest is important as our bodies are temples where the spirit of God may dwell and we must treat it as such.
I am a happy and fulfilled individual that is a member of the Mormon Church. We may be a little peculiar and do things differently but we strive to be like our Father in Heaven. He is our literal Father and the one whom we worship. His Son Jesus Christ is our Savior and his infinite Atonement makes all things possible for us in this life and the next. I believe that Joseph Smith was prophet that restored the gospel to this day in time and that we have prophets even today to guide us and help us in our lives.
I am happy for all these "rules" and the fact that I am protected by so many of them. I love my family and am so close to them by virtue of our common faith in our Savior.
I would never believe in Mormonism !!! Did Joseph Smith ever say that he was a Mason? It sounds like he copied most of his SACRED ideas from the Masons, and God told him to have several wives, but if it from God it must be true........yeah right he must of been drinking something not coffee though. Does anyone have any idea how terrible it was to live with Polygamy??? Mormons love to forget about that terrible sin,ReplyDelete
As a Mormon convert of many years, I have found that many church members are not well aquainted with satire. The list that has triggered so much commentary (and some truly heart-breaking stories) looks like a slight parody of many rules and practices within the church.ReplyDelete
A well-constructed parody IMHO. Are those statements true? In my view, it may depend on whom you ask, or what sort of parents you had, or the concentration of Mormons in your community, etc. Not all of the statements are "doctrine", but who can say with any certainty what the finer points of doctrine are in all matters Mormon? What might not be doctrine, might nevertheless be described as something like "The Code of the Hills", ie things commonly believed, or practiced, but not necesarily written down. Mormon culture is loaded with that sort of thing.
For satire to hit the mark, it has to have some truth in it, along with some exageration and a little sarcasm for good measure. Are good Mormons really that uptight? Don't we get it?
To my fellow LDS: try to view the church from an outsiders POV once in a while. We are not normal. We don't aspire to be normal in most ways. To outsiders, we are from a different planet. I'm OK with that, but it is rather ironic when some Mormons on this blog seem unaquainted with the general implications of the list. I am sorry to blow our cover, but it basically rings true to me, as a good satire ought to do. As the subtext of the list implies, we cannot fully assimilate with mainstream America. For better or worse, we are what we are.
Is this list a joke, or is it a True or False quiz on what Mormons believe? (hint: most are false)ReplyDelete
I joined the LDS church a year ago and agree with Gary. I'm discovering that the church leaders, operations, and internal social attitudes, closely resemble that of the mafia. Of course none of the above rules are forced upon you, but make no mistake, failure to obey them doesn't go unnoticed prompting several members to make "innocent" comments to you such as, "we missed you last Sunday".ReplyDelete
You know what?! I belong to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Mormons) and I absolutely LOVE it! I associate with people of other faiths and it isn't a bad thing. I just wish people would stop trashing what is closest to my heart, my religion. I am not criticizing you and your beliefs, so please don't criticize mine.ReplyDelete
My name is Jaci and I am a proud Latter Day Saint!
Any religion that requires you pay any money sounds like a scam. Like really god told u 2 pay money 2 go 2 church he's god I don't think he needs money or some crappy lil (or even big) church built 4 him. If god is truly god then it would seem 2 me he would only want you 2 do as much good as possible & 2 take care of the home he gave us (earth of course). & if god wanted us 2 fast he wouldn't make us feel hungry or thirsty & there r many better ways 2 test ur faith like who can save the most lives or who can feed the most poor. And b4 u say it Mormons missionary missions r way more about converting ppl then helping ppl live a better lifeReplyDelete